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The Lean Startup Author on New Book Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad and How Great Companies Stay Great | Eric Ries | E297

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Eric Ries

Author, The Lean Startup & Incorruptible

May 26, 2026

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Eric Ries wrote The Lean Startup — a book that has sold over 2 million copies and reshaped how a generation of founders and product teams build products. Fifteen years later, he's back with a new book, Incorruptible, and a harder question: not how to build a great company, but how to keep it that way.

What you'll learn:

  • Why the forces destroying great companies are structural, not moral, and what that means for how you build

  • How Saul Price built FedMart, and Costco's Jim Sinegal each solved half the problem, and why you need both halves

  • How Anthropic used a purpose trust structure, the Long-Term Benefit Trust, to protect its safety mission from investor pressure

  • Why values on the wall fail, and what the Johnson & Johnson asbestos scandal reveals about how incentives quietly overwrite principles

  • How builders at any level of an organization can start influencing governance without a title or authority

Key takeaways:

  • Success makes you a target: the more valuable your company becomes, the more pressure it faces to betray the mission that made it valuable

  • Ethos is the real moat: the intangible system of principles that makes a company trustworthy is harder to copy than any product or contract

  • Governance is not a legal formality; it is the active, ongoing practice of protecting what you built from the forces that will try to extract it

Credits:
Host: Carlos Gonzalez de Villaumbrosia
Guest: Eric Ries

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